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		<title>Pea&#8217;s tell me : inoculant vs no inoculant</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>Last spring I decided it was time for me to get down to the heart of the matter when it comes to snap peas, variety and the question about adding inoculant at planting time or not&#8230;  But before I get into my findings of a year ago there&#8217;s obviously a small disclaimer here: these results are [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last spring I decided it was time for me to get down to the heart of the matter when it comes to snap peas, variety and the question about adding inoculant at planting time or not&#8230;  But before I get into my findings of a year ago there&#8217;s obviously a small disclaimer here: these results are for my soil conditions, my planting techniques and the very wet year last year.</p>
<p>So with that out of the way &#8211; I have a rather sandy soil that actually holds a lot of water (yes &#8211; should not be &#8211; but it is).  I also have lots of naturally growing white clover all over the place&#8230;  so that suggests my soil is already rife with N-fixing bacteria (although they are different spp.).    But &#8211; on to the results.</p>
<p>Last spring I planted 4 distinct test patches: classic Sugar Snap and the more resistant Super Sugar Snap &#8211; both with and without inoculant.  Both of these seeds were untreated as it seems treated seeds and inoculant are intuitively opposed to each other (a lot of treatment is anti-fungal not bacterial so this statement depends on treatment) .  I also planted a patch of treated Sugar Snap (Thiram as the treatment &#8211; a fungicide).</p>
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<th scope="col">Germination &#8211; 1w</th>
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<th scope="col">harvest volume</th>
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<th scope="row">Sugar Snap</th>
<td>good</td>
<td>vigorous</td>
<td>high</td>
<td>moderate</td>
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<th scope="row">Sugar Snap (I)</th>
<td>good +</td>
<td>vigorous</td>
<td>v. high</td>
<td>moderate</td>
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<th scope="row">Super Sugar Snap</th>
<td>very good</td>
<td>vigorous -</td>
<td>average</td>
<td>high</td>
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<th scope="row">Super Sugar Snap (I)</th>
<td>very good</td>
<td>vigorous +</td>
<td>high/average</td>
<td>last to die</td>
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<th scope="row">Sugar Snap (T)</th>
<td>best in class</td>
<td>vigorous +</td>
<td>v. high</td>
<td>moderate</td>
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<p>So what did I discover?  Well &#8211; first and foremost you stand there after you plant your seeds and wait&#8230;  and the seeds treated with thiram emerged sooner and in greater numbers.  What I should have added to the test was treated + inoculant as thiram has no effect on Rhizobia nodulation<sup><a href="http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/procrop/pea/seedtr05.htm">1</a></sup>.  I also noted that after you watch these guys grow until late June &#8211; the &#8220;more disease resistant&#8221; crop of the Super Sugar Snap fellows were not so &#8220;super&#8221; in terms of production.  They had lots of good growth but just didn&#8217;t set peas like Sugar Snap.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; the last column is important to note &#8211; we had a wicked wet spring and summer last year.  Somewhere in June we got 5&#8243; of rain in a 24 hour period&#8230;  so these peas had to deal with drenching rains and cool damp disease conditions.  Here &#8211; it was very clear that the Super Sugar Snap peas that had been inoculated did the best (likely because they could uptake more nutrients - had more root surface area to get oxygen from the flooded soils and have the bred in disease resistance).</p>
<p>So what am I going to do this year with my data and insight?  Well &#8211; if you read <a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/2010/02/lesser-of-two-weevils.html">here</a> &#8211; I&#8217;m going to do a face-off between two different untreated seeds and see how things grow.  Ideally &#8211; I&#8217;d be planting thiram treated Sugar Snap peas &#8211; but I didn&#8217;t want to order just those from one place and pay all that shipping&#8230;  so I bought what I could and we will watch for the outcome.</p>
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		<title>Planting the plan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>There are several obstacles challenges in consistently providing fresh and yummy veggies to people (or even yourself in your own garden), aside from disease, weeds, deer, weather and everything else&#8230;  One of the most daunting challenges is ensuring that you have a steady supply of veggies throughout the season.  And the very honest fact of the matter is &#8211; the produce section of your [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/p_2048_1536_4D76E8D4-86E7-42BC-A868-5B60B5131E42.jpeg"><img class="size-full alignleft" style="margin-right: 5px; margin-left: 5px;" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/p_2048_1536_4D76E8D4-86E7-42BC-A868-5B60B5131E42.jpeg" alt="" width="230" height="307" /></a>There are several obstacles challenges in consistently providing fresh and yummy veggies to people (or even yourself in your own garden), aside from disease, weeds, deer, weather and everything else&#8230;  One of the most daunting challenges is ensuring that you have a steady supply of veggies throughout the season.  And the very honest fact of the matter is &#8211; the produce section of your local store isn&#8217;t exactly &#8220;like nature&#8221; at all.</p>
<p>So &#8211; one of the best tools we have when growing (because we control it completely) is to watch the starting times of seeds and to pay attention to the length of time it takes for a plant (or seed) from when it&#8217;s planted to when it&#8217;s &#8220;mature&#8221; for harvesting.  And &#8211; again &#8211; unlike the bin of greens in the produce department in the middle of January &#8211; we don&#8217;t get to spray the plants with a preservative to make a crop that&#8217;s ready one week early &#8220;last&#8221; until we want to bring it to market the next week&#8230;  we don&#8217;t get to simply &#8220;source&#8221; our plants from another region or country&#8230;  we don&#8217;t get to turn off the weather&#8230;  and we sure can&#8217;t turn up or down the heat!</p>
<p>Now &#8211; in a perfect world we could calculate all those dates &#8211; start all the plants when we need to &#8211; and sit back&#8230;  but, if you have ever been to a farmers market over the course of a summer you will see how each farm has different things that are ready at different times&#8230;  the soil &#8211; the weather and all the other things you can and sometimes CAN&#8217;T think of can conspire to move those dates around.  All we really can do is plan &#8211; plant a plan &#8211; and build into that plan buffers that can hopefully absorb all the miraculous challenges nature sometimes throws at us.</p>
<p><em>And if you are wondering &#8211; here I&#8217;m starting Celeriac &#8211; also known as celery root &#8211; it&#8217;s AWESOME when mashed up with potatoes. Off to my right there are several other trays full of 6 packs like what&#8217;s in front of me &#8211; FULL of the same.</em></p>
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		<title>Lesser of two weevils</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>All weevils are insects but not all insects are weevil&#8230;  some are actually helpful (ugh).  And to be clear with that last pun &#8211; weevils are NOT helpful&#8230;</p>
<p>What is helpful is Johnny Seeds &#8211; the folks we placed the majority of our seed order with this year.  We had ordered 1# of Sugar Snap Peas&#8230;  the super crunchy eat the [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Doydirhynchus_austriacus.jpeg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-967" style="margin: 5px;" title="Doydirhynchus_austriacus" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Doydirhynchus_austriacus-165x300.jpg" alt="" width="165" height="300" /></a>All weevils are insects but not all insects are weevil&#8230;  some are actually helpful (ugh).  And to be clear with that last pun &#8211; weevils are NOT helpful&#8230;</p>
<p>What is helpful is Johnny Seeds &#8211; the folks we placed the majority of our seed order with this year.  We had ordered 1# of Sugar Snap Peas&#8230;  the super crunchy eat the pod an all delights that start producing plump green pea pods in late June and go for about 3 weeks. (And they freeze really well too &#8211; because we just had some with rice and one of our chickens done on the grill with a homemade sweet and sour sauce).</p>
<p>At any point &#8211; many of the seeds we bought this year were organic seeds.  For me that&#8217;s not overly exciting or important &#8211; but hey &#8211; that what they were.  Anyhow, back to the story here&#8230;  we got our pound of seeds and put them in the pile for planting in April&#8230;  then, this weekend, we got a big envelope from Johnny Seeds and a letter.</p>
<p>They were informing us that our seeds <em>might</em> be infected with pea weevils since there is no good organic control for them.  They then gave crystal clear instructions on what to do to kill the weevils and keep the seeds viable (place in a 0 degree F freezer for 7 days).  BUT, their letter continued on, since many people don&#8217;t have that type of freezer &#8211; they sent along a pound of an alternate pea &#8211; Sugar Sprint &#8211; very similar grows a little faster.</p>
<p>For us &#8211; this is a windfall of seed and a chance to try out another variety of snap peas&#8230;  Kelli has access to a deep freeze that we need and the peas (with weevils) are in there now.  How awesome is that!</p>
<p>We usually pick the Sugar Snap over any of the other cultivars because we have just found that they produce more peas that are sweeter than any of the hybrids we have tried before&#8230;  that said &#8211; we will certainly try the extra seed we received.</p>
<p>Fundamentally Johnny Seeds may cost a little more packet for packet to some of the other suppliers out there &#8211; but year after year they have provided the best customer service I have EVER encountered&#8230;  they are always on top of a situation BEFORE it becomes a situation.  So the lesson could be &#8211; you get the quality you pay for&#8230;  but I prefer the hidden lesson&#8230;  you know&#8230;  the one about the lesser of two weevils&#8230;</p>
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		<title>The CSA has begun</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>Well &#8211; maybe the title is a little misleading&#8230;  I mean, it&#8217;s already begun and the checks are in and people are watching the snow accumulate with anticipation of the thaw&#8230;  But &#8211; in the basement some of the first seeds have been planted and are under lights&#8230;  waiting.</p>
<p>First up are the leeks (well &#8211; not &#8220;up&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/leek.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-952" style="margin: 5px;" title="leek" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/leek-244x300.jpg" alt="" width="146" height="180" /></a>Well &#8211; maybe the title is a little misleading&#8230;  I mean, it&#8217;s already begun and the checks are in and people are watching the snow accumulate with anticipation of the thaw&#8230;  But &#8211; in the basement some of the first seeds have been planted and are under lights&#8230;  waiting.</p>
<p>First up are the leeks (well &#8211; not &#8220;up&#8221; but hopefully gently germinating as you read this).  They are a very long season crop &#8211; up to 150 days from when they are transplanted.  So a running start under the lights is extra useful for them.</p>
<p>They will be one of the first items inside to move out under a low hoop house sometime in April.  They will also move into a 4&#8243; deep potting soil &#8220;box&#8221; then so they can continue to develop downward growth at that time.</p>
<p>Last year the trick to make them grow really well was to keep hacking the tops down and then plant them in deep holes so they get that long nicely blanched white section for which leeks are known.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; 150 days out from when they get put in the ground in May sure seems like a long time&#8230;  but &#8211; it&#8217;s a start to the growing season &#8211; so it does feel good.</p>
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		<title>Seed Date Tool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>For all the interest we have had in our super small trial CSA this first year &#8211; we also get asked lots and lots of gardening questions year after year.  One of the most common questions is &#8220;How do you know when to start your seeds?&#8221;</p>
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<p>For all the interest we have had in our super small trial CSA this first year &#8211; we also get asked lots and lots of gardening questions year after year.  One of the most common questions is &#8220;How do you know when to start your seeds?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well &#8211; I started working on a tool for general consumption on the internet a few days ago&#8230;  only to discover that Johnny Seeds has done the heavy lifting for me (rather everyone).  So follow the link, <a href="http://bit.ly/bwUx0u">here</a> grab the spreadsheet in the upper right corner of the screen, and put in your last frost concern date.  The rest is simple &#8211; two tabs of info, sorted in two ways.</p>
<p>Really &#8211; it couldn&#8217;t be easier.  Now &#8211; if only it would weed too!</p>
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		<title>Seedy Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>I kinda scooped this post with my tweet this morning here.  I admit it &#8211; I have been having some very seedy thoughts lately&#8230;  Likely because that magical &#8220;8-10 weeks before transplant&#8221; wording on the outside of several packets is coming to pass&#8230;  it really is only 8-10 weeks before June 1!  [...]]]></description>
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<p>I kinda scooped this post with my tweet this morning <a href="http://twitter.com/BbMFarms/statuses/1353634586" target="_base">here</a>.  I admit it &#8211; I have been having some very seedy thoughts lately&#8230;  Likely because that magical &#8220;8-10 weeks before transplant&#8221; wording on the outside of several packets is coming to pass&#8230;  it really is only 8-10 weeks before June 1!  Which means &#8211; it&#8217;s time to start planting the seeds in the basement.  Which I have been doing &#8211; sorta.<br />The onion seeds and the celery root seeds are going.  Over the next week or so I&#8217;ll start some of the other guys that take a long time and then by April 1 I&#8217;ll have just about everything that can&#8217;t be sown directly in the ground going.<br />That of course means I&#8217;ll need a trip or two to the garden centers to get get the potting soil&#8230;  and some additional pots and trays&#8230;  All those extra seeds too &#8211; the ones you knew you were not going to grow but you find at the store and just can see life going on without them!
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<p>At any rate &#8211; these are the plans on and off over the next several weeks &#8211; more pots &#8211; more plants &#8211; more soil &#8211; more work.  And before you know it &#8211; this lone tray will be surrounded by his (it&#8217;s) closest friends of the green variety.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:78%;">(now &#8211; if only I could hook the seedlings up to Twitter &#8211; <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/add2/" target="_base">like this</a>)</span></p>
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