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		<title>Anti-Antibiotics</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>Back in March I started on an article about the perils of antibiotic use in animals but never got around to publishing it.  Not sure why &#8211; just didn&#8217;t.  Well &#8211; just yesterday the FDA issues a formal statement with the intent of stopping the practice.  At the root of the issue is the fact we [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/iStock_000012444093XSmall.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1239" style="margin: 5px; border: 1px solid black;" title="What's in your chicken" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/iStock_000012444093XSmall.jpg" alt="" width="283" height="424" /></a>Back in March I started on an article about the perils of antibiotic use in animals but never got around to publishing it.  Not sure why &#8211; just didn&#8217;t.  Well &#8211; just yesterday the FDA issues a formal statement with the intent of stopping the practice.  At the root of the issue is the fact we are seeing an increase in antibiotic resistant bacteria that seem to stem directly from the prophylactic use of antibiotics in many animal production models. <em>(links to news articles provided at the end)</em></p>
<p>So aside from the question about where your meat comes from and what conditions it&#8217;s raised under&#8230;  there&#8217;s a broader social implication here.  Does your cheap meat have the potential to create organisms that can make other people very sick.  There&#8217;s a pretty big mountain of evidence that says &#8220;yes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a moment to talk about how this works in practice.  A large farm or feedlot operation will very frequently add a low level of antibiotics to the feed they provide to their livestock.  This is provided without any infection present in the herd &#8211; simply as a safety measure to hopefully <em>prevent</em> infection.  Also, since the presence of the antibiotic kills off these potential pathogens a second part of the argument is &#8211; without having to rely on natural immune response &#8211; the treated animals put more of their energy into growth and produce bigger animals faster.  That equates to more money on the hoof, so to speak, and cheaper prices for consumers.</p>
<p>Cheaper, that is, until your neighbor who gets an antibiotic every time their nose is stuffy (which is wrong on so many levels)  happens to ACTUALLY need an antibiotic for once but encounter a resistant strain&#8230; suddenly the cost of cheap meat just skyrocketed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against an outright ban on antibiotics in animals like some of the certification bodies are (we can chat about all the food certifications later).  Certainly if the family pet gets sick and has an infection &#8211; or if YOU do &#8211; you want the right treatment at the right time&#8230; some might even say anything less is inhumane.  The fact is, sometime, some animal somewhere is going to have something happen to them that&#8217;s 100% natural the they are going to get an infection.  To ban antibiotics 100% is just wrong.  Think about that the next time you reach for the certified organic whatever meat in the supermarket&#8230;  you don&#8217;t know the farmer&#8230; so what happened to that animal that needed treatment but would have jeopardized the farms certification status?</p>
<p>We like to really focus on sustainable farming.  The concept that as many of the inputs as we can use come from as close to the farm as possible is important to us.  We carry that into our personal lives and only buy domestic produce and meats (sometimes from California in the winter &#8211; but it&#8217;s still US farmers!).  On the farm that&#8217;s why we buy locally grown and locally milled feed (which makes the chickens grow like crazy I might add).  It&#8217;s also why we would never consider adding a manufactured chemical (antibiotic) to the feed the animals eat every single day.  It flys in the face of what we are about.  That said &#8211; you can be darn sure we will and do apply every tool in the toolbox if there&#8217;s and animal that gets sick&#8230;  frankly &#8211; we are responsible for them.</p>
<p>The good news is &#8211; there is change with this FDA intervention.  Following the open window for comments they will hand down a decision that will become the law of the land.  Since this is ultimately a public safety issue you can be sure the odds are pretty strong in favor of regulation against the prophylactic use of antibiotics in domestic meat production.  What&#8217;s the translation &#8211; well &#8211; likely a very real unintended consequence will be more imported meat.</p>
<p>That leaves me with two losing propositions as I think about the outcome of how this will be implemented without consumer involvement: one is a continued increase in antibiotic resistant organisms if nothing is done.  The other option is yet another blow to domestic food production because imported meat will become cheaper compared to domestic because they can still use high density overcrowding tempered by prophylactic antibiotic feed treatment.  I hate lose-lose situations so consider this:</p>
<p>The glimmer of hope &#8211; consumers no longer abdicate their responsibility for understanding what they are putting in their mouths.   They begin to put a value beyond &#8220;Super Value Menu&#8221; on the foods they eat.  Thinking of quality foods as longer term investments in their health.  That local nutrient dense food and an appreciation of the methods and relationships fostered in the generation of those foods become as important as they were generations ago.  That understanding it&#8217;s not only OK but preferred to name an animal on a farm and refer to it by that name on your plate.</p>
<h6>Resources</h6>
<p><a href="http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20100628/fda-antibiotics-in-livestock-affects-human-health">http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20100628/fda-antibiotics-in-livestock-affects-human-health</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65R3E420100628">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65R3E420100628</a></p>
<p>Ohh, one last reminder&#8230;  if you think antibiotics are the only things added to industrial farm raised feeds&#8230;  well&#8230;  here&#8217;s and oldie but goodie from 2005:</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070410224805/http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/animal-feed-and-the-food-supply-105/chicken-arsenic-and-antibiotics/index.htm">http://web.archive.org/web/20070410224805/http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/animal-feed-and-the-food-supply-105/chicken-arsenic-and-antibiotics/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Hot chicks arrive TODAY!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 20:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p> Great title huh?  And especially true since the weather is unusually warm and the coop/brooder is 96-98 (it&#8217;s OK -- at this age they like 95 degrees!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a little guy (or gal) who&#8217;s taking up residence on the farm year round&#8230;  Well -- sorta.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s delivery was small -- only 25 birds.  Of those 12 are a heritage breed [...]]]></description>
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<p><a title="New chick" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/45990023@N07/4641981954/"><img class="alignleft" style="margin: 5px;" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/4641981954_66f2d45c6b_m.jpg" alt="New chick" width="180" height="240" /></a> Great title huh?  And especially true since the weather is unusually warm and the coop/brooder is 96-98 (it&#8217;s OK -- at this age they like 95 degrees!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a little guy (or gal) who&#8217;s taking up residence on the farm year round&#8230;  Well -- sorta.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s delivery was small -- only 25 birds.  Of those 12 are a heritage breed of Red Broiler.  That means -- they are &#8220;like&#8221; the meat birds that will be arriving Friday -- but are slower to grow, live much longer, can reproduce on their own and supposedly taste even better!  We are trying just a few this year -- thinking that down the road we could even breed our own meat flock -- now THAT&#8217;S local food!</p>
<p>The rest of the chickens are all brown and white egg laying hens selected for cold tolerance, excellent self foraging abilities, long and consistent laying and&#8230;  personalities.  As a matter of fact -- one breed in particular has already proven to be a handful (and not in size).</p>
<p>Friday 150-ish Cornish Rock Broilers arrive&#8230;  so these 25 are enjoying the space and relative quiet now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Will you cut up my chickens for me?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a GREAT question that I&#8217;m POSITIVE other people have had (thanks Michelle for the email):
&#8220;Hi Andy~ Any chance you will be butchering the chickens this year to purchase select meat?  The reason I&#8217;m asking is b/c we really only eat the white meat and last year a lot of our chicken was wasted.  [...]]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a GREAT question that I&#8217;m POSITIVE other people have had (thanks Michelle for the email):<br />
&#8220;<em>Hi Andy~ Any chance you will be butchering the chickens this year to purchase select meat?  The reason I&#8217;m asking is b/c we really only eat the white meat and last year a lot of our chicken was wasted.  I&#8217;m going to order some either way b/c I like the whole birds for soup etc</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>ONLY EAT THE WHITE MEAT?!?!  You don&#8217;t know what you are missing. (<em>stay tuned over the summer for good recipes to use that dark and ohh so tasty meat up!</em>)</p>
<p>We had thought about doing select cuts but there&#8217;s a couple of challenges with that.  First and foremost, there&#8217;s pricing.  As you can see based on cooler space when you go to the grocery store and look at the sickly factory chicken &#8211; breast meat is certainly preferred&#8230;  So the rule of thumb used when providing selected cuts off your own birds is &#8211; you have to price the breast meat in a way that covers the entire cost of the bird &#8211; because a rather safe assumption is &#8211; most people will only want the breast meat.</p>
<p>In this case &#8211; let&#8217;s assume a 5# bird at $3.49/per pound.</p>
<p>Typically &#8211; a chicken breast (and, of course it depends on bone in or boneless skinless) &#8211; but &#8220;the breast&#8221; is usually between 40-50% of the bird&#8217;s weight.  Around 40% by weight with the bones and skin in &#8211; around 50% by weight as just boneless skinless&#8230; <span style="font-size: 9px;">(<a href="http://www.chicken.org.au/page.php?id=12" target="_blank">source</a>)</span></p>
<p>So &#8211; here&#8217;s where the math comes in for that 5# bird.  If we were to parts it up under the standard rule of thumb to make the breasts pay for the bird &#8211; and since we are doing the work &#8211; let&#8217;s go with boneless / skinless &#8211; since that&#8217;s the super premium cut.  Now &#8211; here&#8217;s where the sticker shock might come in.  Since we pare parting out the breast, that&#8217;s about 40% by weight (as I said before) &#8211; 40% of 5# is 2#.  BUT &#8211; you don&#8217;t really get 2# of meat because there&#8217;s bone + skin in there too.  So, remove the bone + skin and you are down to about 1.5# of tasty, pasture raised, 100% white meat.</p>
<p>One more time &#8211; back to the rule of thumb &#8211; &#8220;<em>you have to price the breast meat in a way that covers the entire cost of the bird &#8211; because a rather safe assumption is &#8211; most people will only want the breast meat</em>&#8220;.  Which, in following the letter of the law exactly &#8211; the bird is $17.45&#8230;  and that makes the market price of boneless / skinless breast cuts about $11.60 per pound! (Gulp!)</p>
<p>In reality &#8211; since there is a small market for thighs, wings, legs and &#8220;soup makers&#8221; &#8211; usually the breast meat is discounted about 15% &#8211; so in this case it would be $9.86/per pound of boneless / skinless breast meat.  So how does that compare?  Here&#8217;s this weeks ad for chickens that don&#8217;t get pasture, can&#8217;t eat clovers and grasses, they don&#8217;t get sun light, don&#8217;t get to hunt and peck for worms and critters&#8230;  Feel good about THAT food&#8230;</p>
<div id="attachment_1111" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 340px"><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/org-chicken1.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-1111" title="Organic chicken" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/org-chicken1.jpg" alt="Food you (try and) feel good about" width="330" height="261" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Food you (try and) feel good about</p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;">So &#8211; I guess I just made the case for parting up a chicken for that cost per pound huh?</p>
<p>My answer to the original question is &#8211; I suppose if there&#8217;s enough folks who would like their chicken parted up, based on requests, we can do that.  Right now &#8211; this is the first and only time someone has asked this question about this years birds.  The parted up meat would be available by cuts (thigh, leg, breast, soup).  Since we are farming for the community I&#8217;ll leave the choice up to the community.  If there are enough folks who have already ordered or who will be ordering that are interested in this as an option &#8211; please shoot us an email or post a comment here. (andy(at)chickenthistlefarm(dot)com or kelli(at)chickenthistlefarm(dot)com)</p>
<p>If enough people want the service we can offer it &#8211; but as of right now we are not planning on cutting up your chickens into select cuts.</p>
<p><em>(In closing I&#8217;d just like to offer something other than chopped up chicken to think about.  You see the math here &#8211; and I hope you visit the farm this summer to see how the chickens are taken care of and raised.  Now &#8211; for just a moment &#8211; seeing how the math works here&#8230;  consider WHAT you are eating when it&#8217;s the &#8220;on sale for $0.99/pound&#8221; boneless / skinless Value Pack of chicken&#8230;)</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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Q:  I think the closest farm to me that I can buy a whole chicken is Newnan. I fear Newnan. I’m curious as to what your opinion of Bell &#38; Evans is… that’s the company that supplies my farmer’s market and I did some superficial research and thinking it’s a step [...]]]></description>
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<address>Q:  I think the closest farm to me that I can buy a whole chicken is Newnan. I fear Newnan. I’m curious as to what your opinion of Bell &amp; Evans is… that’s the company that supplies my farmer’s market and I did some superficial research and thinking it’s a step in the right direction.</address>
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<div>A: If you fear a local farm &#8211; all the more reason to avoid it!  That&#8217;s the real power of local food &#8211; you know and see where it&#8217;s coming from!  Our per pound price isn&#8217;t the cheapest around these parts &#8211; but I encourage people who want to buy a &#8220;cheaper&#8221; bird to visit our farm and flocks&#8230;  then visit other farms and flocks&#8230;  no harm &#8211; no hurt pride &#8211; you are welcome back anytime (just wear different shoes so you don&#8217;t bring disease grossness into our flock).  It&#8217;s called being an educated consumer &#8211; and competition raises the standards.  Sure - there are some other really great local farms &#8211; find them &#8211; maybe they offer things we don&#8217;t&#8230;  but when it comes to chicken production environments and veggies &#8211; well &#8211; like I said, we will welcome you back!  There&#8217;s no arrogance there &#8211; just repeating what others have said to us.</div>
<div id="_mcePaste">As for your question &#8211; there&#8217;s sorta &#8220;stages&#8221; of better chickens &#8211; IMHO.  At the bottom are the factories &#8211; pack em in, debeak them and fill their food with antibiotics because the flock density is so high you don&#8217;t have any other tools to control disease.  Feed them waste scraps of things you would not want your food eating and include arsnic to make them grow faster&#8230;</div>
<div>On the opposite end of the spectrum is &#8211; fresh air, green pastures, let the birds hunt the way they are programed to be.  I think your Bell &amp; Evans folks look like, on a sliding scale, they are about 1/3 of the way from factory towards pastured.  And that&#8217;s not a bad thing for the volumes of chickens they produce.</div>
<div id="_mcePaste">Their operations still looks to keep the birds indoors and out of sunlight (think about how you would feel and your personal health after a lifetime of no sun).  They do &#8211; however &#8211; appear to keep densities lower, use less &#8220;junk&#8221; in their feed and use a higher quality feed&#8230;  So &#8211; bottom line &#8211; their chickens are likely better than the &#8220;discount&#8221; factory birds out there but at the same time &#8220;likely&#8221; not of the same quality (flavor and nutritional) of those birds that spend most of their lives on pasture supplemented diets (that&#8217;s sun, clover, and crickets).</div>
<div id="_mcePaste">Your question is a great one.  People should spend their food money like they are voting with it.  Your choice for the non-status-quo chicken is a vote in the right direction (I still say go find a local farm that&#8217;s not scary &#8211; check <a href="http://www.localharvest.org" target="_blank">localharvest.org</a> and craigslist to start &#8211; when you get there ask to see where the chicks are started, where the birds grow up, where and how they are processed&#8230;  and let your gut tell you if you should be buying chicken from that farm)</div>
<div id="_mcePaste">It&#8217;s amazing &#8211; most consumers really believe that the old adage &#8220;<em>you get what you pay for</em>&#8221; is true when they go buy a computer, car, washer, clothing&#8230;  you name it&#8230;  so &#8211; why doesn&#8217;t that register when we are standing there ordering entire meals off of the $1 Value Menu?</div>
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		<title>Plant lights &#8211; The good, the bad and the bright</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p class="wp-caption-text">Plants need the right light to grow</p>
<p>If you plan on starting seeds indoors you are going to need lights to accompany your efforts as plants need light for photosynthesis.  The question often asked (see the previous post&#8217;s comments) is &#8211; what&#8217;s the &#8220;right&#8221; light for starting plants indoors?  Since I spent a fair amount of time researching [...]]]></description>
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<p>If you plan on starting seeds indoors you are going to need lights to accompany your efforts as plants need light for photosynthesis.  The question often asked (see the previous post&#8217;s comments) is &#8211; what&#8217;s the &#8220;right&#8221; light for starting plants indoors?  Since I spent a fair amount of time researching this very topic years back I figured a concise post about what I do might offer some mild guidance and insight (or not).</p>
<p>First off &#8211; the reason why home seed starters struggle with this question is the fact that the light you &#8220;see&#8221; is slightly different than the light plants &#8220;use&#8221;.  On a technical level there are really 4 peak light wavelengths that plants use for photosynthesis.  The goal of seed starters &#8211; hit as many of those peaks as you can so your plants don&#8217;t grow up leggy, tall and unhealthy.</p>
<p>Back when I spent a good deal of time looking into this I referenced articles published by Cornell and Purdue&#8217;s agriculture departments.  The classic question being &#8211; incandescent or fluorescent.  And if fluorescent &#8211; which bulbs?  The easy starting point was NOT incandescent.  For starters they get HOT &#8211; and having enough of them to light up your plants becomes dangerous for the plants as well as the planter.  Also &#8211; they just don&#8217;t produce the right light for the plants.  So rather than spend a long time discussing them &#8211; let&#8217;s focus on the fluorescent options.</p>
<p>Fluorescent lights are inexpensive (big box stores offer a 4&#8242; light for under $10 + bulbs).  Inexpensive is good.  It&#8217;s not the fixture that generates the rabid discussions amongst growers but rather &#8220;which bulb&#8221;?  And it&#8217;s here in the conversation that you hear people use terms like &#8220;degrees Kelvin&#8221;, &#8220;full spectrum&#8221;, &#8220;cool light&#8221;, &#8220;warm light&#8221;&#8230;  And while there&#8217;s a TON of science behind all that, here&#8217;s the basic takeaway:  Natural sunlight is the &#8220;full spectrum&#8221; of light &#8211; it&#8217;s what plants have evolved to use &#8211; the closer we can get to that &#8211; the happier the plants are.  The color of the spectrum is measured in &#8220;degrees Kelvin&#8221; with light that appears blueish being higher in degrees Kelvin (around 6500K) and being referred to as &#8220;cool light&#8221; (because of the blue color &#8211; not degrees).  The other end of the spectrum is &#8220;warm light&#8221;, it&#8217;s reddish and is around 3500K. (<a href="http://www.1000bulbs.com/pg/KelvinTempExplained/" target="_blank">here&#8217;s a great explanation</a>).  Ok &#8211; so what does all this mean &#8211; boiled down?</p>
<p>Well &#8211; when you pick up your $9 shop light and need bulbs there are 3 primary choices you will see:</p>
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<li>very expensive &#8220;full spectrum&#8221; bulbs that are sold specifically to support seedling development and growing plants with no natural sunlight</li>
<li>cheap &#8220;cool white&#8221; bulbs &#8211; they look very blue when lit and are typically recommended for a garage or a kitchen on the package</li>
<li>cheap &#8220;warm&#8221; bulbs &#8211; these look orangeish and the package will tell you these are great for your basement or family room</li>
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<p>So which one?  Well &#8211; the research conducted by some of the worlds best ag schools found that a lighting fixture with 2 of the &#8220;full spectrum&#8221; bulbs that cost up to 4X as much work no better than a the same fixture loaded with one &#8220;cool&#8221; bulb and one &#8220;warm&#8221; bulb.  The idea of combining the two types goes back to the 4 peaks in photosynthesis (two of them are in the blue regain and two are in the red region).  Ohh &#8211; and the single most important factor in good plant development &#8211; not the color of the bulbs but their age.  these studies showed after 2 years &#8211; you really should replace the bulbs.</p>
<p>At then end of the day (you timer should turn off the lights)&#8230;   At the end of the day &#8211; the choice is yours.  You can certainly opt for the expense of the full spectrum lighting but I have been using one cool and one warm light in my lamps for years and very rarely have to deal with spindly plants.  Those times  I do get leggy growth &#8211; I look at my notes and see that I must not have replaced older bulbs.  When I do get strange growth I have another trick I use that keeps my guys growing squat and robustly&#8230; more on that later&#8230;</p>
<h6><span style="font-weight: normal;">(Thanks Shirley &#8211; for you comment and article inspiration)</span></h6>
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		<title>Extra! Extra! &#8211; Read all about it!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>Pretty exciting &#8211; we made the paper&#8230;  OK, not a feature article &#8211; but we are listed in there!  Very exciting!  Page one (ohh, wait, it&#8217;s alphabetical!)</p>
<p>Fair and balanced reporting &#8211; thanks Karen!</p>
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<p>Pretty exciting &#8211; we made the paper&#8230;  OK, not a feature article &#8211; but we are listed in there!  Very exciting!  Page one (ohh, wait, it&#8217;s alphabetical!)</p>
<p>Fair and balanced reporting &#8211; thanks Karen!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20103090304">Rochester Democrat and Chronicle Article</a></p>
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		<title>Farm Show Follow-up</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>This last weekend Kelli and I got up early Saturday in the tail end of our snow storm (video here) and headed off to Syracuse and the NY State Fair Grounds for the farm show.  (Tickets provided by Rich @ DJM &#8211; Thanks!)  It was a great trip and we certainly learned several useful things.</p>

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<p>This last weekend Kelli and I got up early Saturday in the tail end of our snow storm (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBrpD6jhNik">video here</a>) and headed off to Syracuse and the NY State Fair Grounds for the farm show.  (Tickets provided by Rich @ <a href="http://www.djmequipment.com/">DJM</a> &#8211; Thanks!)  It was a great trip and we certainly learned several useful things.</p>
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<li>Kelli got to see a biomass boiler up close &#8211; in particular this corn stove &#8211; <a href="http://www.maximheat.com/">here</a>.  This is something we are kinda seriously considering.  It would easily provide heat for the house, barn and &#8220;to be built&#8221; greenhouse.  It&#8217;s a great carbon neutral solution and it&#8217;s also one of the few alternative choices that actually has a realistic payback.</li>
<li>A plethora of financial lending options.  Given the costs of so many of the elements farms use it&#8217;s a scary thing to hear people demand safer food, less antibiotics and fewer hormones all for the <strong>same cost</strong>.  Farming in general isn&#8217;t an inexpensive business to run &#8211; and the rewards are razor thin.  People keep pushing and you are going to find a lot more &#8220;Made in China&#8221; stickers on things in your refrigerator than I think a sovereign country should be comfortable with.  For farmers to keep farming our native soils &#8211; food is going to have to cost more&#8230;  and that means lots of people are going to have less cash to buy other things&#8230; and equation most don&#8217;t like.</li>
<li>Saw a lot of the concern about the GM &#8220;Round-Up Ready&#8221; alfalfa that is about to be re-released into the marketplace.  Today is the last day you can submit your comments on this to the USDA &#8211; <a href="http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#submitComment?R=0900006480a6b7a1">here</a>.  I personally go back and forth on this &#8211; while I certainly advocate sustainable, local, small and healthy&#8230;  it&#8217;s not a model that has been demonstrated to be able to feed the nearly 7 <strong>billion</strong> hungry people on this planet (info <a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/2008/05/local-sustainable-vs-big-ag-argument-meet-reality.html">here</a>).  I dunno &#8211; what is clear is the current GM practices can disrupt the adjacent farms that strive to organic certifications&#8230;  and that&#8217;s not fair to those small farms looking to raise their crops and livestock in a desired manner.</li>
<li>It was decided that although the $280,000 combine was shiny red and had lots of cool buttons&#8230;  we don&#8217;t need it <img src='http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
<li>Lots of cool and innovative implements out there for tractors now&#8230;  lots of ohhs and awwws at the device that lifts a round bale, spins it, wraps it in a tight cover and then sets it back down.  Personally - I prefer square bales (when we get livestock) as the hay is better quality because there isn&#8217;t really any &#8220;middle&#8221;.  But for bigger operations who don&#8217;t have the wrapper on the baler &#8211; this thing was <em>all the talk</em>.</li>
<li>Dairy, dairy, dairy &#8211; not ever gonna be my thing&#8230;  and lots of dairy in NY!</li>
<li>Lot&#8217;s of &#8220;If I had money&#8221; dreams with all the shinny implements</li>
<li>Sat in on a vaccination clinic &#8211; very good.  For anyone who has that stereotype of a farmer being a hick in a pickup who can&#8217;t think&#8230;  you better really reconsider.</li>
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<p>Farmers now days know more than the average individual about a myriad of topics.  From the difference between a bacteria, a virus and a parasite &#8211; to how you treat those different afflictions across the herd.  The difference between a live and dead vaccine &#8211; the risks and benefits of each.  Genetics of seeds and their roles in crosses, hybridization and modification.  Soils, equipment, marketing, business plans and finance&#8230;</p>
<p>For all the healthy food advocacy I see on the web &#8211; all the people who &#8220;think&#8221; the food system should be a certain way because they saw Food, Inc. &#8211; all the &#8220;big ag is bad&#8221; comments that Twitter spews forth&#8230;  I just want to know &#8211; how many of those voices have been to a working farm or even a farm show, have actually spoken with farmers, heard what their challenges really are?  There&#8217;s a saying about opinions in general&#8230;  Personally - I prefer informed dialog, but that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
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<p>Well &#8211; maybe the title is a little misleading&#8230;  I mean, it&#8217;s already begun and the checks are in and people are watching the snow accumulate with anticipation of the thaw&#8230;  But &#8211; in the basement some of the first seeds have been planted and are under lights&#8230;  waiting.</p>
<p>First up are the leeks (well &#8211; not &#8220;up&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/leek.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-952" style="margin: 5px;" title="leek" src="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/leek-244x300.jpg" alt="" width="146" height="180" /></a>Well &#8211; maybe the title is a little misleading&#8230;  I mean, it&#8217;s already begun and the checks are in and people are watching the snow accumulate with anticipation of the thaw&#8230;  But &#8211; in the basement some of the first seeds have been planted and are under lights&#8230;  waiting.</p>
<p>First up are the leeks (well &#8211; not &#8220;up&#8221; but hopefully gently germinating as you read this).  They are a very long season crop &#8211; up to 150 days from when they are transplanted.  So a running start under the lights is extra useful for them.</p>
<p>They will be one of the first items inside to move out under a low hoop house sometime in April.  They will also move into a 4&#8243; deep potting soil &#8220;box&#8221; then so they can continue to develop downward growth at that time.</p>
<p>Last year the trick to make them grow really well was to keep hacking the tops down and then plant them in deep holes so they get that long nicely blanched white section for which leeks are known.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; 150 days out from when they get put in the ground in May sure seems like a long time&#8230;  but &#8211; it&#8217;s a start to the growing season &#8211; so it does feel good.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>I took a terrific spreadsheet that Johnny Select Seeds put together and offered up on their home page and added a little bit more to it.</p>
<p>I added a few more vegetables that they missed, a couple of usage notes on the first page and a harvest date tab to offer some guidance as to when things [...]]]></description>
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<p>I took a terrific spreadsheet that <a href="http://www.johnnyseeds.com/" target="_blank">Johnny Select Seeds</a> put together and offered up on their home page and added a little bit more to it.</p>
<p>I added a few more vegetables that they missed, a couple of usage notes on the first page and a harvest date tab to offer some guidance as to when things should be coming out of the garden and into your kitchen.  Obviously using a model like this to predict the harvest is a little bit like trying to predict the weather &#8211; if you get close, you did all right.</p>
<p>The file is Excel and isn&#8217;t exactly the most dynamic approach &#8211; you have to update things on each page&#8230;  ideally, I&#8217;ll get back to this and have a single page for the vegetables and then have the data dynamically sorted based on inputs on  the first page&#8230; then again &#8211; Johnny Seeds saved me a lot of time with this jump start&#8230;  and, uhh ohh&#8230;  my leeks aren&#8217;t started yet! <img src='http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Take it or leave it &#8211; it&#8217;s a slightly polished for my own usage tool (so I can plan crop timings for the CSA) &#8211; I think gives a little more information than the original.  Maybe&#8230;  but I&#8217;m biased!</p>
<p>Here it is &#8211; <a href="http://www.chickenthistlefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/seedstarting.xls">Planting / Seed Starting / Harvest Target Workbook</a></p>
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		<title>The farm is moving&#8230;</title>
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<p>That&#8217;s why things have been so quiet here &#8211; we are moving!</p>
<p>Well &#8211; the farm isn&#8217;t moving&#8230;  just the name.</p>
<p>With the first year of sales behind us, we decided it was the right time to select a name that reflects the long term intent of our farm. SO &#8211; over the next few weeks Chicken Thistle [...]]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s why things have been so quiet here &#8211; we are moving!</p>
<p>Well &#8211; the farm isn&#8217;t moving&#8230;  just the name.</p>
<p>With the first year of sales behind us, we decided it was the right time to select a name that reflects the long term intent of our farm. SO &#8211; over the next few weeks Chicken Thistle Farm will cease to exist and we will assume operations under our new name <strong><span style="color: #99cc00;">Chicken Thistle Farm</span></strong>.<br />
The &#8220;move and change&#8221; is not done yet &#8211; but it&#8217;s far enough along that we wanted to share the exciting news with you and prepare you for changes coming to the web site.<br />
We also wanted to explain the origin of the name to you.</p>
<p>The chicken in the new name represents the mainstay of our farm, now and into the future &#8211; we will always have chickens, and layers of farm fresh eggs are arriving in the spring too!  So regardless of what direction we take as the farm evolves &#8211; there will be chickens!</p>
<p>The thistle represents the weeds and discarded fallow farm land that we are reclaiming and turning into usable land that nourishes us all. The thistle in particular (of which we have many) has a massive root system that is known for pulling minerals up from deep within the earth &#8211; so in sustainable terms &#8211; it&#8217;s a GREAT plant!</p>
<p>So THAT&#8217;S why we have been a little quite on the web as of late&#8230; and the move isn&#8217;t done yet&#8230; but we just couldn&#8217;t wait any longer to share.</p>
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